ROLEX Submariner Lunette Verte

The Submariner LV

The 50 years Sub, the Kermit, the Tuborg, the Maxi Sub, the Vomit Sub, etc. Many words and comments have been made on this watch - it was introduced in 2003 as a 50 yeas anniversary model celebrating that it was in 1953 that the first Rolex Submariner was introduced into the market.

In 2003 50 years after the introduction of the first Rolex submariner (some say the first Rolex was introduced in 1954), reference 16610LV was introduced, but has only cosmetic changes to the standard Submariner Date, a green bezel and a "maxi dial" which has larger hour markers. The nick name of the green Submariner has been many, "The Maxi Sub", "The Kermit", "Tuborg watch", "The Vomit Submariner", etc.

My guess is that this model has created the most debate in forums around the world from when it was introduced. Almost everybody has an opinion about the model, from love to hate. From the start the talk was if this was a limited model, causing the price on used green subs to be somewhat higher that the official price (like the daytona). But time has shown that this model is included in the normal line of submariner from Rolex.

My 16610LV model was brought from local Rolex AD after having being put on the waiting list for about 6-8 months. But then they called - the watch was ready if I still was interested. I left my job early - and got the green sub i its new box without the anchor. But the AD was nice enough to supply me with a Submariner anchor so my Kermit is with the new box and the submariner anchor. The main difference between the 16610LV and the standard 16610 is of cause the green bezel, but the new and very nice change is the introduction of the maxidail and "fatter" hands. This give the watch some of the look of the old vintage submariners where the dots have a nice size, easy to see and somehow give the watch a more pleasant look. The 16610LV has just as many that don't like it as people that love it. But I must say that the added color is a nice touch and the maxi dial is very nice and something I think Rolex will introduce to the other Submariners in the coming years.

Special features and life of the 16610LV

So far I have only seen one version of the 16610LV, but some people say that their exist two dial versions. Of cause after Rolex introduced the Rolex engraving on the inside this version is also to be counted as a version.
  • Dial where the swiss marking at 6 o'clock is less wide (3 minutes)
  • Dial where the swiss marking at 6 o'clock is more wide (3 minutes)
  • Version with Rolex engraving on inside of watch

The "original" Green Sub - the 16610LV

With the newest version of the Rolex Green Sub - it is NOW official that the original Green Sub is history.

The original green sub (aka 16610LV) was introduced in 2003 as part of Rolex 50 years anniversary of the rolex sub, and did undergo many changes in the last 7 years (2003-2010). This means that this model Only had a life time of 7 years - and if I should count - I would say that there is sold between 20-30 normal subs for every green sub (pure guess).

I foresee that the early versions of the Rolex green subs - without rolexrolexrolex on the inside ring - will start to raise in price over time - little by little.

Somehow I still have a split feeling about this watch - the green bezel makes this watch a little unique - how will the green color look in say 20 years from now...

As the saying goes - if in doubt - select black!!.

But I do like the idea of my watches has a little color - and when I don't have any red subs or DRSD - I can live with my rolex GMT with pepsi bezel and my green sub.

Will the Rolex Kermit become "history" after BASEL ?

This is the never ending story - will the Rolex Green Sub - the 50 year anniversary sub be history as we know it after this years BASEL.
I think it will be removed from the current line up in the version we know of today.
The reason for this is that Rolex will introduce more ceramic bezels and add the maxi dial to "all" their subs.

People have be talking about this on multiple forums, rumors have been around, but as it always is for Rolex, noting is for sure until Rolex reveal their lineup.

There is many different views of the Rolex Green Sub (16610LV) - some like it some don't - I would love to know the ration of green subs vs normal subs sold.
I very seldom see the green sub in real life.

And the talk about that the "original" Green Sub (LV sub = Lunette Verte Sub) will become highly collectible when/if it is discontinued this year I find less convincing.
The LV will have been around from end 2003 until now (that is a period of 7 years) - and it that period there has been multiple variations of the Green Sub, last with the addition of the rolexrolexrolex engraving on the ring close to the dial of the watch.

I for one like my Green Sub - Don't love it - but think it has a place in the line up.
If it was not for the Green Sub the only way to get some color into your watch life was the Rolex GMT ;-)

That is also why I think that the Rolex GMT with Pepsi bezel is the a super nice watch.

But lets wait and see what the BASEL will bring for Rolex.

Rolex Green Sub - aka the Kermit, aka the Tuborg, aka model 16610LV information.

As the green sub (model 16610LV) is probably about to leave the normal line up here is a short walk through of the different dial variations and other very minor difference in the model from its launch i 2003 and up til now.
The LV stands for lunette Verte = Green bezel, and as you will see in on the newer models with the form is now - model number and the bezel type (LN = Lunette Noire = Black Bezel).

Again the net is fantastic - I found this WIS blog that really have done his home work on the evolution of the 16610LV - identifying 8 different dials (Mark 1 - Mark 8). Somehow the term Mark X has become the standard for dial identifications.
For some this fascination with different dial variations can be seen as a little to much. But the it is important to understand the dial variation of the original. That way is can be more easy to spot any fake dials that might come into the marked.

This guy have his Rolex Green Sub dial variation in place ;-) And I think that the Rolex Sub 16610 LV will be replaced here in 2010 with ceramic bezel, making the Rolex Sub 16610 one of a very short run - 2003-2010 - probably only 6-7 years in production.

So respect for this work - and especially as the never models are in less focus that the vintage Rolex dials.

The Green Sub was the 50 years anniversary model of the rolex sub so when it came out you could be lucky to get this information package from rolex.

Here is the different dial variations of the Green Sub:

Alternative format ;
  • Mark 1, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Flat 4 (2003 Issue Models ONLY), From Y966xxx 19 September 2003 To F068XXX November 2003
  • Mark 1, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Flat 4 (2004 Onwards) From F100000/F110000??? F Serial Late October 2004 To ???????
  • Mark 2, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with gap between left and right feet of 'R' in 'Rolex', '5 Ticks', Pointed 4, From ??????? To F78XXXX 23 February 2005/F730XXX April 2005/F8XXXXX
  • Mark 3, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Flat 4, From F Serial To DXXX440 2005
  • Mark 4, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R 'in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, From D090842 July 2005 To D361XXX 2005
  • Mark 5, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, From D Serial Early December 2005 To ???????
  • Mark 6, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', 'Between 28 & 32 Mins', Pointed 4, From D358XXX December 2005 To Z261804 22 December 2006
  • Mark 7, Round 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' aligned with end of left foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', 'Between 28 & 32 Mins', Pointed 4, Serial number On Inner Rehaut, From M Serial August 2008 To ???????
  • Mark 8, Oval 'O', 'R' in 'Oyster' located under right foot of 'R' in 'Rolex', '3 Ticks', Pointed 4, Serial number On Inner Rehaut, From M08332X Serial 2008 To ???????

Dial font attributes:

It appears there is a correlation between dial font and layout depending on the 'set' used. By set I make reference to the following possible dial combinations ;
  • a) If the 'O' in the word 'Rolex' is oval (also referred to as 'squashed' or 'wide mouthed') then the positioning of the text 'Swiss Made' is only seen in either '5 tick' OR '3 tick' dials. If the dial is of a '5 tick' type then the 'R' in the word 'Oyster' will ALWAYS align with the gap between the left and right feet of the 'R' in the word 'Rolex'. If a '3 tick' dial type then the 'R' in the word 'Oyster' will ALWAYS locate under the right foot of the 'R' in the word 'Rolex'.
  • b) If the 'O' in the word 'Rolex' is of standard font (also referred to as 'normal' or 'round') then the positioning of the text 'Swiss Made' is only seen in either '3 tick' dial OR 'Between 28 and 32 minutes' dials. In both cases the 'R' in the word 'Oyster' will ALWAYS align with the end of the left foot of the 'R' in the word 'Rolex'.

    • I still like my model - it is a F series - looks like I have the Mark 3 dial - but that don't match the dates he has found / or the model number.

      Here are some photos so I have to check the dial a litte better when I have time.