JAN - JUNE now in the BLOG ARCHIVE 2012



Be VERY carefully out there - vintage watches so easy to fake.

With the raise in prices for vintage rolex and also now Omega - I think the time have come for any collector other than the real experts to look away for the expensive vintage watches. I would be very carefully in buying a DRSD (double red sea dweller), SRSD (single red..), red 1680, 5512/5513 meters first, Big crown, etc..

When I check what you can buy and make a simple rolex into a very high prized watch with a new dial - we are in the zone where any one out for a quick buck - can buy a standard rolex, buy for some few dollars a new dial and maybe even a new case-back - and presto you have a different watch - that i major parts are all original, but the parts that really matters (for the price) is fake.

And the ONLY reason I can see people going this way - is to fool people to pay premium for a watch that is not what it pretends to be.
Who would change a watch back with a different one - just for fun?

Who would change dials to a not original one - but unoriginal with "vintage print"

In general - why change the look of a watch - to look "older"/ more rare?

So I'm just saying - be very careful about the semi-rare watches out on the Internet for sale. I would rather pay 10-20% extra for a watch and buy from a well known seller, than taking a risk.
That said - there have been more than one occasion where known auctions houses have been known to sell less than correct watches - so even this is no guarantee for a verified watch.

And probably I would rather have a not so rare watch and enjoy it - than taking a chance.
I can see a future where these special watches can only be sold through high end second hand watch dealers.



SOTC - 2012 - State of the collection.

The ever returning STOC status every year - Lets recap.

GONE:
  • Sold my Panerai 1B - and yes you can have seller remorse ;-)



GOT:
  • Got a Rolex 1665
  • Got a Rolex 18038

So here are the photos to back it up ;-)


Panerai 1B - GONE ......



Rolex 1665 Welcome ......



Rolex 18038 Welcome ......






Been very little online the last 4 months.

Mainly because work have taking so much time and energy that my daily or weekly update have been more or less neglected. I hope to return to more steady updates in 2013. But just to let everybody know that I have not closed my passion for watches, I have just had other priorities that have caused a lack of focus on watch updates.


How many watches before your can be "committed" ;-)

When I see the commitment from many of my fellow watch "collectors" I find that we are close to put our-self in the same catagory as people collecting busmodels, licence plates numbers, Valo detegerent, etc..

We look at dials differences, font size changes, we only need a 5 sec. look to spot a watch model, when we see a movie - any watches shown will be logged inside your brain, you have more than 3 watches, and always looking for more....

But hey it is fun and I enjoy it - but sometimes I get the feeling that it will not last forever, but maybe I'm lucky and can continue to enjoy watches for many years to come ;-)




OT: Anyone outthere smokes cigars ??

Got my hand on a box of "choiba cigars" - and is now planning to have my first smoke. Anyone have some good ideas for how to mix cigars and watches ;-)




I would buy semi-vintage over new almost ANY day.

When I see on the price for new Rolex watches - even "entry" models are now very expensive. And this also result in very expensive prices for used modern Rolex watches.
And when I see that the prices for older semi-vintage or vintage Rolex I for one would 90% of the time always get a semi-vintage/vintage Rolex over a full new modern version.

I would prefer the older gmt vs the newest gmt, the older sea-dweller over the deep-sea (well two different watches), the older day-date over a very expensive newer day-date.

I'm aware that the newer watches have more modern movements, better clasps, etc.......

But I think the test of time with the older Rolex watches are OK proof for me that they can continue to give pleasure many year to come.

So always buy the older Rolex watches - (and even more Omega) - when looking for the next watch.


Just check out these vintage Rolex vs the newer versions.





Is there a decline in the watch forum threads.

Somehow I see that the number of posts on different watch forums are less than it was one year ago. Is this a trend for the WIS community - have the interest in watches declined a little - are people moving back to more classic watches, and will the lust for special watches decline even more?

Very difficult to say - just my feeling that the number of post on a number of forums looks like a decline. Before (eg. a year ago) - I would miss many posts if I was two days late, but now I feel that I can see all posts within 3 days within my first view.
Not very scientific - just a feeling.




Back online - well almost

Sometime one day just takes the other, leaving little time to do what you plan to do. This is the case for me the last month.
I have been more than busy with my work, new changes in management means new work areas, means changes,etc.
All in all this means than when I come home - my time looking for watches and being online has been very minimal.
I hope to be able to have some more time for some more watch related post in the near future.




Still thinks the first rolex LV was and is a great watch.

This is probally a watch that has been trough many hands - do see that many being used as a daily watch. Well the dansih crownprince is seen with this watch more often - so at least he uses this watch as his daily watch - and respect for that.





But somehow I feel that this watch is a little underrated - it has maxidail, still small case (40mm), the early models did not have the rolexrolexrolex on inside, still the old claps and bracelet, and even if you like you can change the green bezel to a black and have a unique look.





Before and after a simple cleaning...

The very nice thing with Plexiglas is that it is VERY easy to make as "new" again. It only takes some cleaning stuff, and wupti - you have a almost presinte watch.

Just take a look on this watch - the before photos are from when I got it home, and the after photos are after a quick cleaning in soap and hot water, and the plexiglas recived a quick polish with some paste we use for cleaning the ceramic oven (but brasso is also very good).

BEFORE:


AFTER:


It just looks very nice now....




Classic Rolex vintage watches goes with EVERYTHING.

Right now the newest 1665 are my daily watch - yes it just works perfect - somehow the classic look just goes with everything you will used it with. T-shirt, casual wear, formal wear etc..
Have not found one situation where a vintage rolex would look out of place (But I can see many places where a new 42mm Sub, GMT or deep sea would look out of place). The vintage rolex just slide under the shirt - the vintage rolex just looks perfect when peeking out under a shirt, in the sun, at the beach, at the café, etc..





The Patina on dials can "look" very different on same watch.

Some of my new photos of my new "old" Rolex sea dweller 1665 shows how easy it is to make the patina on dials look the way you want.

For WIS people the yellow look of old tritium is much better than the white of luminova, and the more yellow the better.

Just check these photos out - same watch - same day - but major difference in dial look.






P-day - the yearly Paneresti meeting

This time the P-day meeting was held in London.
It just looks very nice when watch people are having a party - I want to join some day.




I might not be that much into Panerai watches - but the community is second to none. No other watch brand can show this kind of community.
It is almost like the apple community - all that Panerai/Apple bring forward is OK - these people will defend this brand.

I can think of no other brands that have the same committed consumers - that buy and buy their products - and will make events to promote the brand (without any cost for the real brand), defend the brand ("..no one force you to buy this or that..")
Take a good look on these pages on paneresti.com .


Part 1
London P-day
Part 3
Part 4





When to sell and when to hold and when to buy.

Ongoing question for me personally. When should I get a new watch, and when should I sell and old watch?

It is not that easy to answer, it is almost like buying and selling stocks (not that I have done that to much) but you can maybe see some similarities in the questions.
Of cause I know that you ONLY buy watches you like and will wear (and stocks is a little different), but when you don't have unlimited amount of money - you can be forced to sell in order to buy....

And that is where I'm standing right now....

In heart I'm a Rolex type guy (classic and functional), my days into Panerai have after some years with much focus declined a little. But does that mean that I should "sell" my Panerai watches, because I will probably not wear them much more - only from time to time.
But at the same time I find the classic versions of Panerai do have some history that I like.

I will/have sold my Panerai 1B - kept the sub 25C - and move on to the next vintage watch....
See below...


Now I'm on the lookout for a new watch - new vintage watch. And as you all know - I'm looking for the following watches - maybe some other can move into play, but for now that is my small focus.


Let me put it this way - a rolex explorer II - 1655 - is and has been on my radar for some time.
Can I find one, or do I jump with both legs into another watch.

More to come ...




My Panerai 1B have left the building!!

Yesterday evening - I received a visit from Mike - a person that found my Panerai 1B on sale on chrono24 (I did remove it from other sites - but "forgot" this one). After some quick negotiations - we agreed on a price - and he came with it in cash (the wife still thinks this is a lot of money - little does she know that a Rolex 1655, PP, AP, etc, will demand at least 3 times this amount.

I'm glad that it found a new place to live - and hopefully gets some more wrist-time than I have been able to give it the last years...

Mike that now is the lucky owner - is also looking for a PP Nautilus - and we did agree that that is just a must have watch when your a little older ;-)
And also that Panerai's "original" series a,b,c with solid case is the watch to get - before any other of the newer Panerais models.

Last quick photos of the watch - and some money.






And some of my older photos of the watch - yes it does look good !!!!







Some modern watches still talks to me ;-)

I really don't know if I'm a vintage guy or a modern guy. Well in heart I'm a vintage guy, but I still have a big place for the modern watches that have something special.

The following modern watches have somethin special that makes we want them.

  • Rolex DeepSea - somehow this is one M..ther fu..er - Nice
  • Rolex Millgause GV - Yes I think this is special
  • Rolex Explorer II - black dial - what can I say - I'm a Exp II type of guy
  • Linde Werdelin Hard Black watches - a watch for the new age ?
  • Patek P - Nautilus - when you have a PP - you have THE watch





OT: New Camera - New used Camera - Nikon D3.

I have at long last got my Nikon D3 - a fullframe camera (FX) - a change from my old DX format camera (Nikon D70 and Nikon D2Hs). And My old lenses are back in play. Now just looking for a new FX zoom lens to complement the fixed focals I have.





What to think of the different watch brands.

I know this is a old stories - but somehow I feel that this is something I keep returning to. What do I think the different watch brand stands for. For lets be real - the "best" watch is a Casio digital watch ;-)

But the reason I would select to buy eg. a Omega, Rolex, Linde Werdelin, Patek P, AP, IWC, or any other watch brand is less with the value for money (to some extent), but much more on my own feeling of the brand - will it match my "personality".
Risk of defining people in different areas - I will try to define my view of the watches and what personality they match.

  • Casio G-shock - people with active life - needs a beater. Also a watch that WIS think is OK.
  • Omega Seamaster - new version - People that what a semi "007" watch - but will not pay for a Rolex Sub.
  • Rolex Submariner - people knowing the brand - and see the Rolex sub as the "watch to have" - semi "see I can buy a Rolex".
  • Rolex Daytona - People in a high position - this used to be the "flash watch" - I have a daytona - I have control over my life.
  • AP - ROO - fashion watch - stand up, fashion, statement watch - and it is NOT a beater watch. So people tend to have a daily watch, and only use the AP ROO for "show".
  • Patek P - People with power and knowledge - understated and high cost.
  • Omega Vintage Seamaster/speedmaster - WIS people - knowing that vintage Omega is the NEW black.
  • "D&G watches" - very (very) young people trying to be swag - but is not.
  • Timex - a little understated - somehow I think this is like Casio G-shock - value for money.
  • Etc..


This just my very high level definition of watch owners.

Let the mailbox explode ;-)




When is 100% original 100% original?

Or to be more specific - is a replacement dials OK - or is the original dials "more" original.

From a collector point of view - all must be original. The watch must be as it left the factory from x years ago. And be left in the box - untouched and never worn!
If you have the original box, papers, receipts, wrapper paper, etc. Then your in collector heaven. But what about us WIS people that like to wear or watches and use them as a normal watch. Wearing it 24/7 for ex tented period of time, and don't care if the watch gets a scratch or two.
And if your really nitpicking - then if everything should be original - then no part must be exchanged during service, but that is not what I think people would like. I have a photo of the the number of parts that is changed during a service of a AP ROO - that is a lot of parts!!.




I don't know if the number of parts exchanged during service of Rolex is the same - but one thing we can be sure about, is that if a high end watch is more than 10-20 years old and sent for service - the number of parts that will be exchanged is relative high. Meaning that the watch is no longer "as it left the factory", it is still original in respect to the parts exchanged, it is still a valid timepiece, it works "better" than before, and it will serve you many years from now.

So you can see that no watch after 1-2 service will be as it left the "factory" - it has been "updated" with new parts - sometimes even new and better parts.

My Rolex 1665 - aka sea-dweller - aka the great white - has been looked after by Rolex at least 3 times in its life (markings on the inside of the back) - see photo....



And this has resulted in a replacement dial - one of the rare - SWISS - T<25 - luminova dials - normally ALL replacement dials is only with SWISS.
And how does this make me feel - is this watch less original than when it left the factory - No - still 100% original Rolex - I don't know if a spring or other inside parts was also exchanged.

But I now have a Rolex "vintage" sea-dweller - that have been serviced and works perfect.








Rolex Subs on a "stick" - well my old Dive knife.

Have been seen before - but I do like the photo - 4 "subs" on a dive knife - you can easily see the linkage between the different models - even if they span the period from 1971 (5513) to 1989 (16600).

My Subs on a row...

  • Rolex 5513 - ca. 1972
  • Rolex 1680 - ca. 1976
  • Rolex 1665 - ca. 1975
  • Rolex 16600 - ca. 1989






I'm a sucker for the Explorer II model.

My first rolex was the 16550 - Explorer II - in 1985.
And lately I have a deep lust for the "original" Explorer II - aka 1655, and now I do find that the new 216570 - the new Explorer II - is also a watch that I would like.

I have always had the feeling that the subs are "overrated" and the Explorer's underrated. I still belive that my Exploerer II 16550 is a iconic design - it is a tool watch and at the same time a somewhat of a dress watch.

I also think that it would be nice to have "all" versions of the Explorer II - as a kind of homage to this model.

  • Rolex 1655 - TO COME
  • Rolex 16550 - OK
  • Rolex 16750 - TO COME
  • Rolex 216570 - TO COME


I would realy like a 1655 - was so close in june - but the deal did not fly.



My 16550 - My first Rolex - last to leave - has a special place in my heart.






Long time since I have checked out Linde Werdelin watches.

Last year I used a lot of time on the Linde Werdelin watches, and even if they are expensive, I still find the design and idea behind the brand exiting, and the fact that it is the ONLY danish watch design/maker.

I still have my Linde Werdelin Elemental - and still think this is a watch one of the more interesting "unknown" brands.
As regards to value for money - I think that LW have done the right thing - don't flood the marked with LW watches - but keep the LW watches as a high end watch, much like B&O in Denmark (the price is high compared to what you get (in terms of hardware)).

Question is if that marketing policy in the long run can make a brand like LW survive - but somehow I believe they will survive in the growing marked of high end watches, as they have the product and slow but sure deployment policy of their watches.

  • Limited product = high price
  • Only focus on R&D
  • Limited in-house development
  • Focus on slow but sure development of the brand
  • Mainly on-line to a start - limited watches in shops (cost down)

So basically I think that the business model is very positive - with the ability to expand if needed - but I don't think that LW will not expand so much that the brand and the limited numbers of watches will expand that much.


Maybe I will again take a closer look at the watches that LW have to offer.
But I don't think that I will select a LW watch over some of my watches on my "next watch list".
Some photos of my Linde Werdelin Elemental watch.






What quality do you expect from a high end watch?

I have some own experience on quality less than expected and have second hand information from others. What can you expect in this respect.
We guess all have tried this in different products - it is not always that when you buy expensive products that you buy quality - but one thing is for sure - quality cost - so if you want top quality you can expect to also pay for that.

I will now focus on watches and what you pay for - and want to expect and what I would expect and willing to accept (in relation to lack of "quality").
The story from my pint of view started with my first dive watch and continued with my first rolex watch, and again with my Linde Werdelin Elemental Watch.


My first real watch - was my Heuer Professional Divers watch, see photos below.




This watch was and still is a very positive experience - the price was very cheap compared to major brands dive watches at the time - and the one-year warrant on the watch was extended to "life-time warrant" by the shop.
As they said - if nothing goes wrong the first year - it will work "forever". And it still runs like a charm, and I have used and abused it from day one - so much that the original metal bracelet at the end feel apart.

One of the most solid watches I have at present.
And for the price of this watch - it is not easy to find any better cost vs value.

This just to explain the background - when I went ahead and got my first real expensive Rolex watch.

I got my first Rolex Exp II - in 1985 - my 16550 - and this was my dream watch. I did not select the rolex sub, as I was still very happy with my Heuer Diver and used that for all my diving.

My Rolex Exp II was brought from local AD - and the cost at the time was VERY high - and I was and still is demanding that the quality from Rolex is very high.
But what did happen after 2 weeks of use - well the expensive Rolex Exp II stopped to run!!!

A long trip back to the AD - and they where were professional - they checked the watch and found the problem.
On every Rolex there is a small piece of "gum" that is placed inside the watch in order to absorb any small particles, and that "gum" was dislodged and had stopped the watch.
Inside information (gum is black from factory, service gum is gray).

After that no problem - and my Rolex Exp II has been perfect since that time - but it was a little of a wake up call for me, that this high end watch could have this kind of problem so early on.
And I somehow felt that the watch was now not as it left the factory - now it had been opened so in theory "dust" could have entered!!
Well that was my thought after spending that amount on my first rolex.



My next try-out with lack of quality came with Panerai - the Panerai 25C - expensive watch, but the quality is not what you pay for, but then again this is part of the charm of Panerai - you don't pay for quality, you pay for the name and history.
The rotating bezel and the hands was of bad quality. The hands did show missing polish, tritium paint on side of hands, and missing polish of hands. The bezel use simple plastic and result in very loose rotating bezel.
And the movement - automatic - there a screw came loose causing the sound of the movement to be very bad (and the rotor sound on this movement is known for the wobble effect and sound.). Got it fixed buy a watchmaker that just put the screw back in.

But that is somehow "expected" for Panerai watches - their quality is less than perfect - and I will not even start to open the box on their special model that caused a major stir in the community, where the movement was very inferior to the price and expected quality.







My shortlist - now only 3 watches - well almost ;-)

OK - now I'm down to 3 watches on my shortlist.
  • Rolex 1655
  • Rolex 5513
  • Tudor snowflake

And some watches moved down my list - If I can find a good deal - I'm still game for these watches.
  • Omega Speedmaster
  • Omega Seamaster 300
  • Rolex 1665
  • Rolex Deep Sea

And again some that I still look into - but I can't really justify the price when I look into my pocket.

  • Audermars Piquet ROO + RO
  • PP - Nautilus/Jumbo
  • Linde Werdelin - the macho watches (eg. Octopus, black versions).




JAN - JUNE 2012 is NOW in Archive - Please check them out

Remember to check out the archives - There might be some funny info for you in the many archive pages.;-)






Some thoughts about my fist time with gold Rolex watch as my daily watch.

OK - here are some input from my real first 4 weeks with my first non-tool Rolex watch, my first gold watch and my first real pristine watch that I have used since my days of buying from Rolex AD (Rolex Exp II and Rolex LV).
Let me say it like this - I have always been a simple steel watch man (ok - one Ti watch - my Pam 25C) - steel and black dial.
But now I have selected to try out my new gold watch - Rolex day-date 18038 - and see how that was as my "daily" watch.

First impressions:
  • No problem with the smaller size it don't feel that much smaller.
  • With the correct bracelet size - it fits just perfect.
  • Was a little unsure if the extra bling bling did was a "problem"
  • Got many eyes on the watch - many many from the family
  • Soon I was doing gardening, grill, etc - what I normally do during stays in summerhouse
  • All in all - a positive experience of wearing this watch
  • But I miss some of the features of my sub/dweller/daytona - the possibility to measure time.
  • Right now it is my semi daily watch - together with my dweller 1665




Back from 3 weeks vacation with limited net access.

Now I'm back from 3 weeks of vacation and ready for new post on my blog. Well I have been on vacation in Sweden and Denmark with the family and enjoyed some nice weather and some less nice weather - but all in all - it has been perfect to be away from the daily work.
I will try to post some more and with some more personal opinions in the world of watches.




Military watch history - on timezone.com

On timezone.com - you can find a nice feature by Dowling about the history of military watches.
Check it out - there exist many other watches than Rolex Milsubs that have military history.



My new watch says hallo - and welcome summer.

With summer coming - very soon I hope, here are some photos of my new watch in different situations.


Was in summerhouse this weekend and the weather was so so - not very good - but not very bad either. But just to have the chance to get away from the job and spend some time with the kids was perfect.

Did wear the new watch all weekend - my new baby - the rolex day-date. And it did work well with the flip-flops and shorts and general a relaxed attitude.

On the way to the beach and on the beach - it was a pleasant feeling to wear this watch.
The president bracelet is very nice to wear - and the felling of the watch on the wrist was the same or better than my dweller.

But enough talk her are some photos from the weekend of my NOS 1979 - 18038 Rolex day date.



All I can say is that I really like the blue dial - it gives the watch different looks dependent on the way the light hits it.





"Be a Man" - Try a gold watch ;-)

It is something special - the way, the look, the perceived "class" of the person wearing a rolex gold day-date.

For me the person wearing a Rolex Day-Date has always been a person that can manage himself - a man of the world, a man that focus on quality over quantity.
Take a look at these rolex adds for the rolex day-date.







Next watch list updated - Major changes...

After I have recived my day-date in gold - I have found out that I will focus on less i more.

So I have now updated my Next watch list with additional input to why I have made this selection.


My NEW List:
  • Rolex 5513 meters first
  • Tudor snowflake
  • Rolex 1655 Exp II
  • Rolex vintage in GOLD - Did get a vintage Day-Date 18038 - but other gold still a possibility aka 1680/8
  • Omega Speedmaster cal. 321 (the Moon Watch) - Again a chronograph - must be present ....
  • Omega Seamaster 300



As you can see from my "old" next watch list - there has been some changes.


My OLD List - now outdated:
  • Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore - "Black/blue dial" - This one is the new boy on the block - probably a "old version"
  • Omega Speedmaster cal. 321 (the Moon Watch) - Again a chronograph - must be present ....
  • Rolex Deep Sea - - I like the size and the look and quality
  • Rolex vintage and semi vintage models (5513, 1680, 16800)
  • Linde Werdelin - black out model - The One - Somehow LW have made a very positive impact on me
  • Omega Seamaster 300
  • Tudor snowflake
  • Rolex Milgauss Green - New models
  • Rolex Submariner vintage in GOLD (1680/8)
  • Panerai models - The classic models - Not the modern Panerais


All I can say that after going GOLD - this will not be my last gold watch, and both datejus, gmt, and subs are in question (all rolex).
And after my failed buy of a rolex 1655 - this is a watch still very much on my radar.

I have removed some watches from my list - and focus most on rolex and a little Omega.





"Be a Man" - Try a gold watch ;-)

It is something special - the way, the look, the perceived "class" of the person wearing a rolex gold day-date.

For me the person wearing a Rolex Day-Date has always been a person that can manage himself - a man of the world, a man that focus on quality over quantity.
Take a look at these rolex adds for the rolex day-date.







Next watch list updated - Major changes...

After I have recived my day-date in gold - I have found out that I will focus on less i more.

So I have now updated my Next watch list with additional input to why I have made this selection.


My NEW List:
  • Rolex 5513 meters first
  • Tudor snowflake
  • Rolex 1655 Exp II
  • Rolex vintage in GOLD - Did get a vintage Day-Date 18038 - but other gold still a possibility aka 1680/8
  • Omega Speedmaster cal. 321 (the Moon Watch) - Again a chronograph - must be present ....
  • Omega Seamaster 300



As you can see from my "old" next watch list - there has been some changes.


My OLD List - now outdated:
  • Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore - "Black/blue dial" - This one is the new boy on the block - probably a "old version"
  • Omega Speedmaster cal. 321 (the Moon Watch) - Again a chronograph - must be present ....
  • Rolex Deep Sea - - I like the size and the look and quality
  • Rolex vintage and semi vintage models (5513, 1680, 16800)
  • Linde Werdelin - black out model - The One - Somehow LW have made a very positive impact on me
  • Omega Seamaster 300
  • Tudor snowflake
  • Rolex Milgauss Green - New models
  • Rolex Submariner vintage in GOLD (1680/8)
  • Panerai models - The classic models - Not the modern Panerais


All I can say that after going GOLD - this will not be my last gold watch, and both datejus, gmt, and subs are in question (all rolex).
And after my failed buy of a rolex 1655 - this is a watch still very much on my radar.

I have removed some watches from my list - and focus most on rolex and a little Omega.